tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9268929.post3433205037082807619..comments2013-11-12T07:08:41.189-08:00Comments on Falling Down: Ok, one more.Nathan Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11590875357974623024noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9268929.post-60713780532599470732007-09-20T14:12:00.000-07:002007-09-20T14:12:00.000-07:00My other point was that John could be completely t...My other point was that John could be completely true in that statement that the world's sins are forgiven by the action of Christ, but they may not be "included in Christ" - Eph 1:13 or "found in Him" - Phil 3:9 because they have rejected him as the Messiah - thus being the sin that excludes them from the eternal kingdom of God.David, T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00629090307269555468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9268929.post-69584956789465220062007-09-20T13:56:00.000-07:002007-09-20T13:56:00.000-07:00http://www.the-highway.com/1Jh2.2.htmlThis guy bas...http://www.the-highway.com/1Jh2.2.html<BR/><BR/>This guy basically follows the tack you guys are taking ... specifically, an examination of the word kosmos as used by St. John. I didn't find his argument particularly compelling, but he was certainly thorough.<BR/><BR/>I looked at a few of the supposed examples of John's non-universal usage of kosmos -- including Jn 3:17 as David mentioned. I Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03350224197380896652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9268929.post-7859546962799108412007-09-20T13:16:00.000-07:002007-09-20T13:16:00.000-07:00The debate you're talking about Ben boils down to ...The debate you're talking about Ben boils down to how John uses the word "world" (Gk: cosmos"). <BR/><BR/>However, I think that the term "world" in John's usage might be a qualitative and not quantitative. That is, it might indicate the KIND of world Jesus propitiated -- a sinful world. <BR/><BR/>Similarly, I think Tato's point is taken well -- that if the usage is quantitative, it refers to JewsDanny Slavichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02778356099596464224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9268929.post-58117257621844148562007-09-20T12:48:00.000-07:002007-09-20T12:48:00.000-07:00I think the idea against universalism and passage...I think the idea against universalism and passages that seem to apply it is that the one sin that condemns all who are not counted in Christ is their rejection of Jesus as the messiah. The one "unforgivable sin" is said to be the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit - which is mentioned in a few places: Matt 12:31, Mark 4:29. <BR/><BR/>I think that the Spirit's big confession and action in the gospelsDavid, T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00629090307269555468noreply@blogger.com